On the week of launch with UK network operators the team give you their verdict on Nokia’s new flagship N-series device the N97. Should you buy it?
Ben, Vikki and James give you the answer straight and Ben and James have a small disagreeement.
Nokia N97: The Definitive Verdict (maybe)
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Hey James,
Many thanks for the link and this is a very interesting topic off the original topic.
The image in question. I use a Wordpress plugin called Insights on my blog, and it this plug-in that is pulling your “claimed” image from Flickr…. You can right click on the image and pull the URL if you like and you will see I am not claiming it to be mine at all. Here is the URL that http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3407/3476977184_... and as you can see it's got a lot of “flickr, farm4, static” mentioned in the URL. I don’t see any mention of “whatelydude”.
I think you need to raise this “creative commons” issue with the author or <a href=” http://wordpress.org/extend/plugins/insights/sc... (Vladimir Prelovac) or with Flickr themselves, before you go insinuating that I am claiming an image that might belong to you. I too post understand Creative Commons on my various blogs and understand what it means. With that said, I am not removing the image or putting any attribution to the original source. As far as I am concerned, the original source is Flickr.
“As far as I am concerned, the original source is Flickr.”
I'm sorry??? You're saying as long as an image is on Flickr, you have the right to use it?
YOU have the burden of proof to show that you have the rights to use an image, not the other way around; it's not about proving that you DON'T have the rights to use something. Also, you can't claim ignorance because of a third party plug-in; if you CHOOSE to use it, you assume responsibility for it. If someone has pointed out that it is acting illegally, you should choose to remove it.
And clearly, those are the same image. To try to argue otherwise seems incredibly petty, especially from someone who creates web content themselves.
wait, does that mean you are happy to use a tool that pulls pictures without giving the owner (the person who takes and publishes that picture on Flickr, not Flickr itself imo) the rightful credit?
Not knowing the source of an image doesn't make a violation of Creative Commons acceptable and the onus is on you to discover the source and license of that photo. You can do this by searching for the photo ID in google. In this case you can plainly see that the photo ID (3476977184) matches the ID of the photo James linked to and you can see that it is published under the Creative Commons Attribution license as described here: http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/2.0/deed...
You have now been notified of the source of the image by both James and myself, I have explained how you can verify the source for yourself and you have been made aware of the terms of the license.
I expect to see correct attribution or the removal of the link as soon as possible.
Look, if it was James Whatley 's link I was using on my site, then I would change it or remove it or give him credit for the image, but it's not his image. It's got a different URL.
I am not claiming ignorance just because it's a third party application, but for the love of gawd, if you think I am going through all my INSIGHT images and giving credit to the original snapper, you can think again. Besides there is no way of knowing from the second the image is selected in INSIGHTS that it belongs to James or not.
Petty… was making a comment about it in the first place and not checking the original link on my site.
'Claimed' image? It's not 'claimed' – he bloody took the photo!
He's not saying you're claiming it be yours either, he's saying you need to reference your sources properly.
Yes, this should be flagged to the author of Insights, but a simple 'Sorry, I'll add a link to your original photo' would have done.
Flickr is the medium that stores the imagery, it owns nothing and each indivudual is the source.
What a ridiculous stream of ill-informed comments…
You've used a (bad) tool to show it the image on your blog. The plugin should have warned you that the image requires attribution, but it did not. James has now made you aware of the licence for the image and it's your obligation to correct your website.
The usage on your site requires attribution, fact. The URL makes absolutely no difference.
Hey Mike,
I think it's pretty obvious that the image you're using is James's. Sadly you've been let down by the Insights tool, leading to you inadvertently breaking the terms of the CC licence. I've been burned by a similar error in the past, where I reposted an image that had been created by someone, from a 3rd party aggregator which stripped out all the attribution info.
James hasn't asked you to take down the image, just to give him his due attribution. It's clear you've not intended to do anything wrong, so it would be great if you could just add an attributive link.
“if you think I am going through all my INSIGHT images and giving credit to the original snapper, you can think again.”
In that case you can probably look forward to being sued when you get caught using a fully rights-reserved image taken by a professional photographer.
Yes James, let down by some terrible software, which is actually a cool plug-in, but if it causes so much grief it's better off not being used on my site.
I am going to replace the photo and remove the Insight software.
James Whatley, I apologize for using your photo without permission and I will remove all the other photos as well, as I am sure they belong to you in some way or form.
Hmmm!
I've ditched Nokia for a year or two now after being a Series 80 Power User and am now the happy onwer of an HTC Touch Pro2. (Yes I've gone to the dark side – WInMo) And do you know what? It isn't that bad at all!!!
Any chance of a considered opinion on that one, boys?
You're clearly a moron who
1. doesn't understand what “licensing” means
2. doesn't understand how the Internet works
3. obviously can't engage in intelligent conversation.
I hope you get sued into oblivion; there are enough ignorant smart-asses on the Internet, you won't be missed.
Different URL is nonsense. Flickr provides multiple URLs for the same image for different sizes. The exact photo you're linking to can be seen on this Flickr page (clearly labelled with CC attribution and James' profile linked):
http://www.flickr.com/photos/whatleydude/347697...
No one has said you should go through all images on your site. We are saying that now you've been informed about this particular photo and it's your legal requirement to correct your page.
If he's using a plugin that sources images from Flickr without telling him what their copyright status is, this thread is the gentlest way he could have found out what an incredibly bad idea that is, by a significant margin.
I'd go for removing the plugin, not fixing this one instance. The next person whose work he fails to attribute might not be so polite, nor so liberally licensed in the first place.
Takes one to know one!
I enjoyed this ingenious Ben vs James review, and today engadget posted a similar Chris vs Thomas “missives interchange”:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/06/22/nokia-n97-re...
Ben – you re so wonderfully objective in your own grumpy way. You did not mention the fact that the N97 does not support SIP VoIP natively – mission critical FAIL!
On balance I think that I shall be resisting the temptation to commit to a N97. I shall stick with my wonderfully reliable (and feature rich) E71 – which is now available for a FRACTION of the price of a N97!
Brilliant, love the conflict. James definitely won the argument though. I've got an E71, but definitely want an N97 if I can blag my boss to get me one.
The widgets are genius. I'm making a widget that will work on my E71 as well as the 5800/N97 I wish I had, and it's pretty darn simple and is such a powerful part of the standby screen.
After thinkin of both opinions. I'm with James on this one!
JamesVincent (was kexv)
Ben is right. Waiting 6 months aprox. for the stuff to work. Bloody arrogant Nokia. By By i'm of to Apple.
agreed, amen. (Loooooooong time Nokia user)
Ben is right. For almost 600 euro's the product should be finished. I will never spend this amount of money on anything that is not 99% thought out. I've been using Nokia's for 10 years now, but i just ordered the 3 GS. Can't wait.
Which decent phone we can get with at least 16GB memory and GPS with any OS which allows application installation for free and I think Iphone is not an alternative to it but maybe good for some people and not for some. Give us something which is a phone plus easy to update and have some competition with N97.
Nokia N97 Model mobile is Nice Mobile I am using the Mobile.It was Unlocked From the Vodafone Australia I found the Unlocking Instructions In the site Unlocking Instructions.
You absolutely shouldn’t
Why should anybody take seriously any of the opinions of a pair of lager drinkers?
You absolutely shouldn't
Check out this video review of the Nokia N97.
It’s probably the best video review i’ve seen.
A very detailed review with a touch of humour aswell.
Also notice the Nokia N97 vs. Touch Pro2 lightsabers at the end of part 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJe9Nd_wx0
Check out this video review of the Nokia N97.
It's probably the best video review i've seen.
A very detailed review with a touch of humour aswell.
Also notice the Nokia N97 vs. Touch Pro2 lightsabers at the end of part 2.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZJe9Nd_wx0
Wait! Hold the video presses! WHERE IS BEN’S SUIT & TIE???!!!!!????
It makes me truly happy to see Ben & James sparring on video. When are we going to see Vikki & Dan sparring on video?
((p.s. I like the keyboard and I do *use* the stylus. ;o) ))
( p.p.s. I will actually be buying the N86 )
p.p.s.s. More cute doggies in videos.
;oD
Agreed – that’s an excellent review… Recommended.
The suit is given a weekend pass and spends time with its family…
Agree Vikki and Dan video is overdue… *starts planning*
Noted re: doggies
Wait! Hold the video presses! WHERE IS BEN'S SUIT & TIE???!!!!!????
It makes me truly happy to see Ben & James sparring on video. When are we going to see Vikki & Dan sparring on video?
((p.s. I like the keyboard and I do *use* the stylus. ;o) ))
( p.p.s. I will actually be buying the N86 )
p.p.s.s. More cute doggies in videos.
;oD
Quite funny this vid, I enjoyed it very much, great job Ben and James, damn that almost sounds like the American ice cream – Ben and Jerry lol nah but really great video, keep up the good work
cheers mate
Agreed – that's an excellent review… Recommended.
The suit is given a weekend pass and spends time with its family…
Agree Vikki and Dan video is overdue… *starts planning*
Noted re: doggies
Quite funny this vid, I enjoyed it very much, great job Ben and James, damn that almost sounds like the American ice cream – Ben and Jerry lol nah but really great video, keep up the good work
cheers mate
I’ve spent about an hour with a N97 and I’m with Ben on this one.
All the smart kids are
I've spent about an hour with a N97 and I'm with Ben on this one.
All the smart kids are
part of my job is to check other network stores in town and see what they offer (I work for a T-Mobile store).
Just came across this AMAZING offer on the N97. Free N97 Black, £45 a month, 1200 Minutes, Unlimited Landlines, Unlimited Texts, 500MB Internet all on a 18 month contract!
part of my job is to check other network stores in town and see what they offer (I work for a T-Mobile store).
Just came across this AMAZING offer on the N97. Free N97 Black, £45 a month, 1200 Minutes, Unlimited Landlines, Unlimited Texts, 500MB Internet all on a 18 month contract!
i was told today by a t-mobile store worker that they don’t have the N97 yet as it failed t-mobiles tests?! they are retesting it and if it passes they’ll have it in 3-4 weeks.
was looking forward to getting this phone on friday, i really dont want to have to wait!
i was told today by a t-mobile store worker that they don't habe the N97 yet as it failed t-mobiles tests?! they are retesting it and if it passes they'll have it in 3-4 weeks.
was looking forward to getting this phone on friday, i really dont want to have to wait!
I’m with ben – its a nightmare with your fingers, its slow unresponsive and does unexpected things. esp when trying to scroll menus.
it becomes way more responsive and satisfying with a stylus.
resistive screens need stylus
capacitive screens love fingers
S60 5th edition isnt finger friendly.
I'm with ben – its a nightmare with your fingers, its slow unresponsive and does unexpected things. esp when trying to scroll menus.
it becomes way more responsive and satisfying with a stylus.
resistive screens need stylus
capacitive screens love fingers
S60 5th edition isnt finger friendly.
‘get an iphone’ hahahahaha :p
'get an iphone' hahahahaha :p
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