There are no good enterprise mobiles…

by Ben Smith on 16th December 2009

There are no good mobiles for the enterprise… That’s the grim realisation I’ve come to over the last few weeks. There are plenty to chose from, but stop buying for yourself and try buying for 100s of people considering all the costs. Then choose one that will be reliable enough to entrust your business and your customer communication with… It begins to put things like battery life and software bugs in a sharp focus.

‘The Enterprise’… Yes, I went there.

Image by Flickr user fusionpander, used under CC license.

Choosing a new phone is geek nirvana… reading up on specs, tech blogs’ opinions and other owners’ tweets. There’s a huge choice of platforms, shapes and prices. I love it. If you’re reading this I suspect you do too.

But imagine you had to choose for someone else. Not a friend… Not a family member… but someone you barely know. A colleague. You know their job, but not their habits or preferences. Then imagine it’s not just one colleague, it’s 100. And some of them haven’t even joined the firm yet so you can’t ask them what they want.

Now what do you choose? That’s the challenge I’ve been faced with recently.

It’s clearly time for some educated guesswork… You choose something that suits the kind of tasks your business does, something that will be around for a while so the IT department can support it and something your preferred suppliers can sell you. If you’re nice (like we are) you pick something that colleagues like when they test it too.

The problem is that, taking all that into consideration, there are no good enterprise mobiles.

Nada. None. Zip.

“Rubbish” you’re screaming… So… let me talk you through it.

Blackberry:

This is a no brainer really isn’t it… You want enterprise handsets, you get Blackberry. They do e-mail, calendar, contacts and 3rd party apps all with a nice management wrapper for the IT chaps to manage it all. Lovely. Except for the price…

If you want the business cleverness you’ve got to get BES. And that needs to run alongside your email server, be architected, maintained, managed, backed-up and operated by someone who knows how. You’ve got to pay a license fee per user too. Of course you can out-source all of this, but that’s no more free than the in-house solution. And we’re supporting 100 smartphone users here… the big cheeses are understandably reluctant to start messing with the e-mail servers which need to support thousands of other people too.

The devices are nice-enough looking and few complain at being offered one - they’re a badge of honour in the city - but having watched a normob (my long suffering other-half) struggle to change basic settings on her new Curve recently they’re still seriously lacking in the usability department. There’ll be plenty amongst those 100 who’ll need help and that will cost too…

The bosses point out that no other range of handsets needs all this complex supporting infrastructure and they don’t want bells or whistles. So it’s a no, just on price.

Nokia:

This was my chance to shine… “try Nokia’s E-series” I cried envisioning rooms full of happy E-series toting colleagues. Mail for Exchange would sort our syncing needs for free, there are apps out there (if we want them) and the devices are as stylish and robust as you could ask for. Problem solved.

Except the users hate them. A lot. The complaints are consistent… the contacts and calendar apps are too basic, the menu system is a maze and the new devices are buggy. We’ve tested E75s and E72s… call quality and battery life were great. Everything else… wasn’t. The E72 I promised would be ‘excellent’ crashes frequently and has, on occasion, emitted a strange squealing noise until the battery was pulled. We could wait for the usual firmware upgrades and deploy 3rd party PIM replacement products, but once again the cost (in terms of man power as well as software) is prohibitive… these aren’t power users - they just want the core smartphone features to work well.

So I eat humble pie and we move on…

Palm:

Treos are our current solution and to say they are unloved is putting it mildly. A recent user survey returned comments I couldn’t publish here. To cap it all Palm are killing their Windows mobile range anyway so we’re forced to move on. The Pre isn’t available from our operator and it’s far from impressive enough to inspire a move.

iPhone:

This is the one the users clamour for and, since the announcements from all the major operators that they’ll carry it, it’s a possibility. However, despite a significant number of fans amongst the users (this is the only handset users repeatedly ask for) its dire battery life falls well short of the ‘reliably lasting a full working day with normal use’ criteria we’ve specified. It’s also a bit pricey as we’re paying for a well specified media player we don’t really need to buy.

Android:

In terms of generally available handsets via the mainstream UK operators this means an HTC device at present. The recent ones do have Exchange syncing built-in, but this is an immature solution and Android is still changing rapidly. It’s possibly one to watch, but not a long-term investment yet.

Windows Mobile:

And so we’re down to barrel scraping… The usability is dire, the users already hate it on Palm Treos, but better specified Windows Mobile devices are available from HTC amongst others, but quality varies wildly, radio and battery performance is average and the turn-over of devices by operators is alarmingly rapid. It’s the least immediately offensive choice given the major failings of all the other choices, but not a range or a platform to commit long-term to.

And that’s it. In one pass every major platform and manufacturer dismissed from this massive marketplace.

I honestly have no idea what we’ll do… It looks like we’ll spend a fortune on new devices plus software or accessories to address their failings without really giving the users the choice or power they (and I) assumed is out there… and if you think I’ve got problems pity the people procuring devices for tens of thousands of users.

  • http://whatleydude.com James Whatley

    Re: Nokia. Why no E71?

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Of all options, Nokia’s problems are least dire and most fixable. All they need to do is,
    1. Make calendar more functional.
    2. Iron out firmware issues.
    3. Heavily promote Nokia Messaging as an email solution.
    And we’re good to go.

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  • pieter13

    I would consider the nokia 6700. Strong steel. All the bells and wistles but no bulk and no S60. My 6300 is my best & most reliable phone since 1997. :-)

  • http://whatleydude.com James Whatley

    Re: Nokia. Why no E71?

  • http://whatleydude.com James Whatley

    Re: Nokia. Why no E71?

  • http://whatleydude.com James Whatley

    Re Calendar - I can strongly recommend Handy Calendar from Epocware as an awesome replacement.

    That and Handy Taskman :)

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    It suffers from the same usability issues as the E72 and isn’t what our operator is offering us… the E72 is the device their pushing now. E71 will go end-of-life soon.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I agree with the list, but not that they’re easy to address. Still, just sorting the firmware issues would be a crucial first-step. At least then I could argue more training / familiarisation time would help.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    For individuals yes, but paying for 100 licenses and then paying an engineer to install and test it 100 times isn’t an appealing overhead. It also begs the question why a £350 top-end business phone from Nokia needs its core features replacing to get business-class functionality…

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    For a candy-bar ‘dumbphone’ I’d agree, but I’m specifically talking about smartphones with email / calendar / contacts functionality… a numeric keypad would be a huge step back for most of our users.

  • munkimatt

    We’ve had the same issue at my workplace Ben. Since being here I’ve seen the sales force switch from the Nokia 6300 to a much unloved HTC Kaiser and now we’ve just changed again, moving from the HTC handsets and Vodaphone to O2 and the iPhone. 2 weeks in and we’re already being inundated with companits regarding battery life and out of the 20(ish) handsets that came in 7 have gone back faulty (although O2 must be praised for having a staff member personally deliver replacement handsets).

    Oddly, despite working with a group of people who are so technologically backwards I’ve been asked “what the hole in the top is for” (yup, the headphone socket) they have received a lot of praise for usability.

    I’m a little bemused by your dismassal of Android though. I mean, the Exchange sync works and works well, why is the immaturity really an issue?

  • Anonymous

    Did you try Dataviz Roadsync on the Nokias, or just the Mail-for-Exchange POS?

  • http://davidcarrington.co.uk David Carrington

    We’ve got a mix ourselves. Blackberries for management and Nokia candy-bar dumbphones for anyone else that happens to need a company mobile.

    A stack of 6310i’s for one particular user that needs huge battery and a fairly sturdy phone (the source of the #WeekOfWin video I made).

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Thank you :) Getting the trial edition of handycalendar.

    I use JbakTaskman though. More customizable, more features and more powerful. On the downside, it’s unsigned.

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Yes, completely true. The Eseries core business software suite hasn’t changed much since E61 came out. Someone be sleeping at the Eseries desk…

  • http://www.carsonified.com DominicTravers

    What you need is a cheap Windows Mobile stop gap until some kind of industrial miracle occurs.
    I am rather familiar with this handset for some reason..

    http://www.business.orange.co.uk/servlet/Satellite?c=OUKDevice&cid=1253783744461&pagename=Business

    Now this is a cheap as chips Samsung device that will do the job with email and calls etc. Nothing special and I guess lots of your readers would lynch me for the suggestion. Knowing how you feel about Orange I am not about to suggest that you get 100 of these. But, as far as I’m aware, Samsung have a raft of these low cost WinMo 6.5 qwerty devices in slightly different guises. Could be worth asking your operator if they have something like this as the unit cost on these is specifically designed for this kind of corporate purchasing.

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Of many things Nokia can be accused of, and there are MANY, not providing firmware upgrades after the release is not one of them. Unlike some (*cough*Samsung*cough) makers, Nokia cares about it’s phones post sales too. Just look at the E71. Its had not less than 4 full upgrades, if I’m not wrong. Fingers crossed, E72 will be just as lucky.
    But obviously, the question lingers as to WHY is the phone bug ridden in the first place. And to make it worse, it had a loooong time to mature between announcement and release. Hmmmm…

  • http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/ MobileInfoPlanet

    Regarding the Nokia E72:
    http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/2009/12/05/e72-problems

    I completely agree with your co-workers about Nokias/Symbian PIM limited capabilities, including how alarms are handled:
    http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/2009/11/13/my-biggest-gripe-with-symbian-os
    And with Symbian you can’t set appointment categories or recurring tasks, which is important in a professional setting.

    And regarding BlackBerry:
    http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/2009/11/07/point-of-blackberry

    So I would probably go with WM, selecting a specific device that has the specs that covers your company’s needs. There are plenty of devices to chose from and the experience vary greatly between them, which is why it would be important to carefully select one. But in the end I think it would be the best choice.

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Of all options, Nokia's problems are least dire and most fixable. All they need to do is,1. Make calendar more functional.2. Iron out firmware issues.3. Heavily promote Nokia Messaging as an email solution.And we're good to go.

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Of all options, Nokia's problems are least dire and most fixable. All they need to do is,
    1. Make calendar more functional.
    2. Iron out firmware issues.
    3. Heavily promote Nokia Messaging as an email solution.
    And we're good to go.

  • pieter13

    I would consider the nokia 6700. Strong steel. All the bells and wistles but no bulk and no S60. My 6300 is my best & most reliable phone since 1997. :-)

  • pieter13

    I would consider the nokia 6700. Strong steel. All the bells and wistles but no bulk and no S60. My 6300 is my best & most reliable phone since 1997. :-)

  • http://whatleydude.com James Whatley

    Re Calendar - I can strongly recommend Handy Calendar from Epocware as an awesome replacement. That and Handy Taskman :)

  • http://whatleydude.com James Whatley

    Re Calendar - I can strongly recommend Handy Calendar from Epocware as an awesome replacement.

    That and Handy Taskman :)

  • http://www.reinvent.ro Catalin Giboi

    I had Blackberries (with BES), HTCs (WinMo), an iPhone and the Nokia E71, all to use in a business environment which required heavy emailing. Out of all, I prefer the E71 by far to all devices. It’s not perfect, but it’s the best.

    To answer your question: no, there is no good enterprise phone. Nobody dedicated their efforts in this direction. I am sure we will soon see THE one. And the company which will release it will make a fortune.

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  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Intrigued by your iPhone feedback… that’s really useful thanks.

    re: Android our operator only offers the Magic / Tattoo so far so it’s tough to make a case these are robust enterprise-class devices with a long enough life-span to commit to. If someone could chuck out a few QWERTY variants with epic battery-life there might be enough options to pick a few and commit long-term to Android.

    A number of people have said ‘just move to Google Apps’, but I’m not sure we want to do a wholesale technology refresh of our most important business tool for many thousands of users just so 100 or so can get a new smartphone… It may be an appealing move in the future, but not just on this justification.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I’ve tried both, but recently we only tested M4E.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    …and an awesome video it was too :-)

    Dumb-phone wise the options are great… problem is all our users have ‘smartphone’ requirements.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Any recommendations for good-performing devices?

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Agreed and the E71 (or even the E63 which I think is great value) were my preferences, but we need the users to accept and embrace the solution and I was amazed how vehement the negative feedback about S60 was… shows how much I take for granted.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I think that’s where we’re headed sadly. Where’s my mobile nirvana of total connectivity I was promised though? :-(

  • http://antoinerjwright.com/ ARJWright

    Nice list, but this depends on a few things:
    - what are you using to admin mobile devices that aren’t BES. If using Exchange, then pretty much any recent WinMobile, iPhone, Nokia, and BB set of devices would do. Its not really that hard to support them all since Exchange does so and is device agnostic.

    If you are concerned with user’s actually knowing about their device, this would be the best route, as it would leave basic support in their hands, and then the implementation of a mobile device policy would ensure that corporate information on said device is up to specs.

    If users choose not to bring their own device, then your offerings need to sit on the Nokia and WinMobile sides of things for device and admin consistency (speaking Exchange only).

  • http://www.carsonified.com DominicTravers

    Samsung are aware of your requirements and will make a plasticy email centric phone to please your bean counters!
    The Android 2.0 mail for exchange is supposed to be very good, the Moto Droid/Milestone could present a true lesser of evils. The INQ Chat could be amusing…

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    It suffers from the same usability issues as the E72 and isn't what our operator is offering us… the E72 is the device their pushing now. E71 will go end-of-life soon.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    It suffers from the same usability issues as the E72 and isn't what our operator is offering us… the E72 is the device their pushing now. E71 will go end-of-life soon.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I agree with the list, but not that they're easy to address. Still, just sorting the firmware issues would be a crucial first-step. At least then I could argue more training / familiarisation time would help.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I agree with the list, but not that they're easy to address. Still, just sorting the firmware issues would be a crucial first-step. At least then I could argue more training / familiarisation time would help.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    For individuals yes, but paying for 100 licenses and then paying an engineer to install and test it 100 times isn't an appealing overhead. It also begs the question why a £350 top-end business phone from Nokia needs its core features replacing to get business-class functionality…

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    For individuals yes, but paying for 100 licenses and then paying an engineer to install and test it 100 times isn't an appealing overhead. It also begs the question why a £350 top-end business phone from Nokia needs its core features replacing to get business-class functionality…

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    For a candy-bar 'dumbphone' I'd agree, but I'm specifically talking about smartphones with email / calendar / contacts functionality… a numeric keypad would be a huge step back for most of our users.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    For a candy-bar 'dumbphone' I'd agree, but I'm specifically talking about smartphones with email / calendar / contacts functionality… a numeric keypad would be a huge step back for most of our users.

  • http://www.reinvent.ro Catalin Giboi

    I believe the negative feedback comes from their consumer hearts, not their enterprise ones. They should see beyond the looks (both of the device and the UI) and more into features and then compare.

    As for the E63, I preferred the E71 mostly because of the build and the few extra features. As I said, the E71 is not perfect, but it’s the best one.

  • http://en-gb.facebook.com/matt.rhys.jones Matt Jones

    We've had the same issue at my workplace Ben. Since being here I've seen the sales force switch from the Nokia 6300 to a much unloved HTC Kaiser and now we've just changed again, moving from the HTC handsets and Vodaphone to O2 and the iPhone. 2 weeks in and we're already being inundated with companits regarding battery life and out of the 20(ish) handsets that came in 7 have gone back faulty (although O2 must be praised for having a staff member personally deliver replacement handsets).Oddly, despite working with a group of people who are so technologically backwards I've been asked “what the hole in the top is for” (yup, the headphone socket) they have received a lot of praise for usability.I'm a little bemused by your dismassal of Android though. I mean, the Exchange sync works and works well, why is the immaturity really an issue?

  • http://en-gb.facebook.com/matt.rhys.jones Matt Jones

    We've had the same issue at my workplace Ben. Since being here I've seen the sales force switch from the Nokia 6300 to a much unloved HTC Kaiser and now we've just changed again, moving from the HTC handsets and Vodaphone to O2 and the iPhone. 2 weeks in and we're already being inundated with companits regarding battery life and out of the 20(ish) handsets that came in 7 have gone back faulty (although O2 must be praised for having a staff member personally deliver replacement handsets).

    Oddly, despite working with a group of people who are so technologically backwards I've been asked “what the hole in the top is for” (yup, the headphone socket) they have received a lot of praise for usability.

    I'm a little bemused by your dismassal of Android though. I mean, the Exchange sync works and works well, why is the immaturity really an issue?

  • NeilHoskins

    Did you try Dataviz Roadsync on the Nokias, or just the Mail-for-Exchange POS?

  • NeilHoskins

    Did you try Dataviz Roadsync on the Nokias, or just the Mail-for-Exchange POS?

  • http://davidcarrington.co.uk David Carrington

    We've got a mix ourselves. Blackberries for management and Nokia candy-bar dumbphones for anyone else that happens to need a company mobile.A stack of 6310i's for one particular user that needs huge battery and a fairly sturdy phone (the source of the #WeekOfWin video I made).

  • http://davidcarrington.co.uk David Carrington

    We've got a mix ourselves. Blackberries for management and Nokia candy-bar dumbphones for anyone else that happens to need a company mobile.

    A stack of 6310i's for one particular user that needs huge battery and a fairly sturdy phone (the source of the #WeekOfWin video I made).

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Thank you :) Getting the trial edition of handycalendar. I use JbakTaskman though. More customizable, more features and more powerful. On the downside, it's unsigned.

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Thank you :) Getting the trial edition of handycalendar.

    I use JbakTaskman though. More customizable, more features and more powerful. On the downside, it's unsigned.

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Yes, completely true. The Eseries core business software suite hasn't changed much since E61 came out. Someone be sleeping at the Eseries desk…

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Yes, completely true. The Eseries core business software suite hasn't changed much since E61 came out. Someone be sleeping at the Eseries desk…

  • http://www.carsonified.com DominicTravers

    What you need is a cheap Windows Mobile stop gap until some kind of industrial miracle occurs.I am rather familiar with this handset for some reason..http://www.business.orange.co.uk/servlet/Satell...Now this is a cheap as chips Samsung device that will do the job with email and calls etc. Nothing special and I guess lots of your readers would lynch me for the suggestion. Knowing how you feel about Orange I am not about to suggest that you get 100 of these. But, as far as I'm aware, Samsung have a raft of these low cost WinMo 6.5 qwerty devices in slightly different guises. Could be worth asking your operator if they have something like this as the unit cost on these is specifically designed for this kind of corporate purchasing.

  • http://www.carsonified.com DominicTravers

    What you need is a cheap Windows Mobile stop gap until some kind of industrial miracle occurs.
    I am rather familiar with this handset for some reason..

    http://www.business.orange.co.uk/servlet/Satell...

    Now this is a cheap as chips Samsung device that will do the job with email and calls etc. Nothing special and I guess lots of your readers would lynch me for the suggestion. Knowing how you feel about Orange I am not about to suggest that you get 100 of these. But, as far as I'm aware, Samsung have a raft of these low cost WinMo 6.5 qwerty devices in slightly different guises. Could be worth asking your operator if they have something like this as the unit cost on these is specifically designed for this kind of corporate purchasing.

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Of many things Nokia can be accused of, and there are MANY, not providing firmware upgrades after the release is not one of them. Unlike some (*cough*Samsung*cough) makers, Nokia cares about it's phones post sales too. Just look at the E71. Its had not less than 4 full upgrades, if I'm not wrong. Fingers crossed, E72 will be just as lucky.But obviously, the question lingers as to WHY is the phone bug ridden in the first place. And to make it worse, it had a loooong time to mature between announcement and release. Hmmmm…

  • http://twitter.com/ShethK K Sheth

    Of many things Nokia can be accused of, and there are MANY, not providing firmware upgrades after the release is not one of them. Unlike some (*cough*Samsung*cough) makers, Nokia cares about it's phones post sales too. Just look at the E71. Its had not less than 4 full upgrades, if I'm not wrong. Fingers crossed, E72 will be just as lucky.
    But obviously, the question lingers as to WHY is the phone bug ridden in the first place. And to make it worse, it had a loooong time to mature between announcement and release. Hmmmm…

  • http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/ MobileInfoPlanet

    Regarding the Nokia E72:http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/...I completely agree with your co-workers about Nokias/Symbian PIM limited capabilities, including how alarms are handled:http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/...And with Symbian you can't set appointment categories or recurring tasks, which is important in a professional setting.And regarding BlackBerry:http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/...So I would probably go with WM, selecting a specific device that has the specs that covers your company's needs. There are plenty of devices to chose from and the experience vary greatly between them, which is why it would be important to carefully select one. But in the end I think it would be the best choice.

  • http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/ MobileInfoPlanet

    Regarding the Nokia E72:
    http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/...

    I completely agree with your co-workers about Nokias/Symbian PIM limited capabilities, including how alarms are handled:
    http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/...
    And with Symbian you can't set appointment categories or recurring tasks, which is important in a professional setting.

    And regarding BlackBerry:
    http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/blog/blog1.php/...

    So I would probably go with WM, selecting a specific device that has the specs that covers your company's needs. There are plenty of devices to chose from and the experience vary greatly between them, which is why it would be important to carefully select one. But in the end I think it would be the best choice.

  • http://www.reinvent.ro CGiboi

    I had Blackberries (with BES), HTCs (WinMo), an iPhone and the Nokia E71, all to use in a business environment which required heavy emailing. Out of all, I prefer the E71 by far to all devices. It's not perfect, but it's the best.To answer your question: no, there is no good enterprise phone. Nobody dedicated their efforts in this direction. I am sure we will soon see THE one. And the company which will release it will make a fortune.

  • http://www.reinvent.ro CGiboi

    I had Blackberries (with BES), HTCs (WinMo), an iPhone and the Nokia E71, all to use in a business environment which required heavy emailing. Out of all, I prefer the E71 by far to all devices. It's not perfect, but it's the best.

    To answer your question: no, there is no good enterprise phone. Nobody dedicated their efforts in this direction. I am sure we will soon see THE one. And the company which will release it will make a fortune.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Intrigued by your iPhone feedback… that's really useful thanks.re: Android our operator only offers the Magic / Tattoo so far so it's tough to make a case these are robust enterprise-class devices with a long enough life-span to commit to. If someone could chuck out a few QWERTY variants with epic battery-life there might be enough options to pick a few and commit long-term to Android.A number of people have said 'just move to Google Apps', but I'm not sure we want to do a wholesale technology refresh of our most important business tool for many thousands of users just so 100 or so can get a new smartphone… It may be an appealing move in the future, but not just on this justification.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Intrigued by your iPhone feedback… that's really useful thanks.

    re: Android our operator only offers the Magic / Tattoo so far so it's tough to make a case these are robust enterprise-class devices with a long enough life-span to commit to. If someone could chuck out a few QWERTY variants with epic battery-life there might be enough options to pick a few and commit long-term to Android.

    A number of people have said 'just move to Google Apps', but I'm not sure we want to do a wholesale technology refresh of our most important business tool for many thousands of users just so 100 or so can get a new smartphone… It may be an appealing move in the future, but not just on this justification.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I've tried both, but recently we only tested M4E.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I've tried both, but recently we only tested M4E.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    …and an awesome video it was too :-) Dumb-phone wise the options are great… problem is all our users have 'smartphone' requirements.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    …and an awesome video it was too :-)

    Dumb-phone wise the options are great… problem is all our users have 'smartphone' requirements.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Any recommendations for good-performing devices?

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Any recommendations for good-performing devices?

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Agreed and the E71 (or even the E63 which I think is great value) were my preferences, but we need the users to accept and embrace the solution and I was amazed how vehement the negative feedback about S60 was… shows how much I take for granted.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    Agreed and the E71 (or even the E63 which I think is great value) were my preferences, but we need the users to accept and embrace the solution and I was amazed how vehement the negative feedback about S60 was… shows how much I take for granted.

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I think that's where we're headed sadly. Where's my mobile nirvana of total connectivity I was promised though? :-(

  • http://benjam.in Ben Smith

    I think that's where we're headed sadly. Where's my mobile nirvana of total connectivity I was promised though? :-(

  • http://antoinerjwright.com/ ARJWright

    Nice list, but this depends on a few things:- what are you using to admin mobile devices that aren't BES. If using Exchange, then pretty much any recent WinMobile, iPhone, Nokia, and BB set of devices would do. Its not really that hard to support them all since Exchange does so and is device agnostic.If you are concerned with user's actually knowing about their device, this would be the best route, as it would leave basic support in their hands, and then the implementation of a mobile device policy would ensure that corporate information on said device is up to specs.If users choose not to bring their own device, then your offerings need to sit on the Nokia and WinMobile sides of things for device and admin consistency (speaking Exchange only).

  • http://antoinerjwright.com/ ARJWright

    Nice list, but this depends on a few things:
    - what are you using to admin mobile devices that aren't BES. If using Exchange, then pretty much any recent WinMobile, iPhone, Nokia, and BB set of devices would do. Its not really that hard to support them all since Exchange does so and is device agnostic.

    If you are concerned with user's actually knowing about their device, this would be the best route, as it would leave basic support in their hands, and then the implementation of a mobile device policy would ensure that corporate information on said device is up to specs.

    If users choose not to bring their own device, then your offerings need to sit on the Nokia and WinMobile sides of things for device and admin consistency (speaking Exchange only).

  • http://www.carsonified.com DominicTravers

    Samsung are aware of your requirements and will make a plasticy email centric phone to please your bean counters! The Android 2.0 mail for exchange is supposed to be very good, the Moto Droid/Milestone could present a true lesser of evils. The INQ Chat could be amusing…

  • http://www.carsonified.com DominicTravers

    Samsung are aware of your requirements and will make a plasticy email centric phone to please your bean counters!
    The Android 2.0 mail for exchange is supposed to be very good, the Moto Droid/Milestone could present a true lesser of evils. The INQ Chat could be amusing…

  • http://www.reinvent.ro CGiboi

    I believe the negative feedback comes from their consumer hearts, not their enterprise ones. They should see beyond the looks (both of the device and the UI) and more into features and then compare.As for the E63, I preferred the E71 mostly because of the build and the few extra features. As I said, the E71 is not perfect, but it's the best one.

  • http://www.reinvent.ro CGiboi

    I believe the negative feedback comes from their consumer hearts, not their enterprise ones. They should see beyond the looks (both of the device and the UI) and more into features and then compare.

    As for the E63, I preferred the E71 mostly because of the build and the few extra features. As I said, the E71 is not perfect, but it's the best one.

  • http://twitter.com/mobileyog mobileyog

    I think You should try to get Nokia Eseries tested with small group of users first, work with them, resolve their issues. This will help to remove not so real -ve feelings.
    But I think currently any decent WM phone will be great choice. You can have look at Samsung C6625, its good with QWERTY , but WM 6.1.

  • http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/ MobileInfoPlanet

    Apologies for the late reply.

    I would probably start looking at the Samsung B7330. I have not had the chance yet to try it out myself, but the specs are quite good and it’s a device I would even consider for myself.

    You said that your company have used the Treo which of course runs on WM Pro, which means there are bound to be some usability issues (e.g. not being able to do everything without touching the screen). As the Samsung runs WM Standard you won’t have that problem at least, and WM Standard is in my experience noticeably snappier than WM Pro (excluding the HD2, of course!).

    You said people complained (rightfully so in my opinion) about the confusing menus on S60. WM Standard’s menus are much simpler in comparison, plus they are index based which means that they are much quicker to navigate: every option is always just one click away - once you learn the indexes of commonly used operations you literally fly through the menus. With the B7330 you also get a 320×320 screen that you had on your Treos.
    The downside with WM Standard is that you won’t be able sync notes natively, though there are 3rd party solutions.

    Along similar lines you have the HTC Snap, though it’s a little low on memory (both ROM and RAM), but depending on how you use it it might not be an issue for you. The general consensus though seems to be that it’s slightly faster than the Samsung overall (I have not been able to confirm this myself). Its “Inner Circle” function is aimed precisely at corporate users which you might find useful (though again it depends on your usage).

    On the WM Pro side I think there are very few options right now for corporate users, with the Touch Pro being the only alternative. If you don’t mind sliders (I do) then by all means.

    But I think that in the end you have to be aware of that you *will* have to make some compromises, you will not find a device that covers each and every need you may have and that all the employees will love. Once you accept that, and you define what features are essential or important to your company and employees, you will be well on your way to make a decision, as that will allow you to discard many platforms/devices.

    Good luck!

  • http://twitter.com/mobileyog mobileyog

    I think You should try to get Nokia Eseries tested with small group of users first, work with them, resolve their issues. This will help to remove not so real -ve feelings.But I think currently any decent WM phone will be great choice. You can have look at Samsung C6625, its good with QWERTY , but WM 6.1.

  • http://twitter.com/mobileyog mobileyog

    I think You should try to get Nokia Eseries tested with small group of users first, work with them, resolve their issues. This will help to remove not so real -ve feelings.
    But I think currently any decent WM phone will be great choice. You can have look at Samsung C6625, its good with QWERTY , but WM 6.1.

  • http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/ MobileInfoPlanet

    Apologies for the late reply.I would probably start looking at the Samsung B7330. I have not had the chance yet to try it out myself, but the specs are quite good and it's a device I would even consider for myself.You said that your company have used the Treo which of course runs on WM Pro, which means there are bound to be some usability issues (e.g. not being able to do everything without touching the screen). As the Samsung runs WM Standard you won't have that problem at least, and WM Standard is in my experience noticeably snappier than WM Pro (excluding the HD2, of course!).You said people complained (rightfully so in my opinion) about the confusing menus on S60. WM Standard's menus are much simpler in comparison, plus they are index based which means that they are much quicker to navigate: every option is always just one click away - once you learn the indexes of commonly used operations you literally fly through the menus. With the B7330 you also get a 320×320 screen that you had on your Treos.The downside with WM Standard is that you won't be able sync notes natively, though there are 3rd party solutions.Along similar lines you have the HTC Snap, though it's a little low on memory (both ROM and RAM), but depending on how you use it it might not be an issue for you. The general consensus though seems to be that it's slightly faster than the Samsung overall (I have not been able to confirm this myself). Its “Inner Circle” function is aimed precisely at corporate users which you might find useful (though again it depends on your usage).On the WM Pro side I think there are very few options right now for corporate users, with the Touch Pro being the only alternative. If you don't mind sliders (I do) then by all means.But I think that in the end you have to be aware of that you *will* have to make some compromises, you will not find a device that covers each and every need you may have and that all the employees will love. Once you accept that, and you define what features are essential or important to your company and employees, you will be well on your way to make a decision, as that will allow you to discard many platforms/devices.Good luck!

  • http://www.mobileinfoplanet.com/ MobileInfoPlanet

    Apologies for the late reply.

    I would probably start looking at the Samsung B7330. I have not had the chance yet to try it out myself, but the specs are quite good and it's a device I would even consider for myself.

    You said that your company have used the Treo which of course runs on WM Pro, which means there are bound to be some usability issues (e.g. not being able to do everything without touching the screen). As the Samsung runs WM Standard you won't have that problem at least, and WM Standard is in my experience noticeably snappier than WM Pro (excluding the HD2, of course!).

    You said people complained (rightfully so in my opinion) about the confusing menus on S60. WM Standard's menus are much simpler in comparison, plus they are index based which means that they are much quicker to navigate: every option is always just one click away - once you learn the indexes of commonly used operations you literally fly through the menus. With the B7330 you also get a 320×320 screen that you had on your Treos.
    The downside with WM Standard is that you won't be able sync notes natively, though there are 3rd party solutions.

    Along similar lines you have the HTC Snap, though it's a little low on memory (both ROM and RAM), but depending on how you use it it might not be an issue for you. The general consensus though seems to be that it's slightly faster than the Samsung overall (I have not been able to confirm this myself). Its “Inner Circle” function is aimed precisely at corporate users which you might find useful (though again it depends on your usage).

    On the WM Pro side I think there are very few options right now for corporate users, with the Touch Pro being the only alternative. If you don't mind sliders (I do) then by all means.

    But I think that in the end you have to be aware of that you *will* have to make some compromises, you will not find a device that covers each and every need you may have and that all the employees will love. Once you accept that, and you define what features are essential or important to your company and employees, you will be well on your way to make a decision, as that will allow you to discard many platforms/devices.

    Good luck!

  • Phil

    Hmmm you want a enterprise phone but you don’t want to pay … good luck with that!

  • Phil

    Hmmm you want a enterprise phone but you don't want to pay … good luck with that!

  • Phil

    Hmmm you want a enterprise phone but you don't want to pay … good luck with that!

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